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HEY EVERYONE YOU SHOULD CHECK OUT THIS THREAD, AND THIS ONE, AND THIS ONE!


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60 No. 60 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
I've gone over the posts in this board, and while they are informative they lack some of the more crucial information for psyops or SE. One thing that needs to be mentioned is that Social Engineering is more of a lifestyle choice than a skill that can be "turned on" or "off" at a whim. Without trying to push the whole "we're all spais" vibe, compartmentalization is a major facet to psyops/SE. To be more specific, it is the compartmentalization of the different aspects of your life that are so important.

Being that everyone here is anon, you should all be intimately familiar with that concept. Not just "Rules 1 and 2", but more to the point that you really don't want mom, dad, your preacher, cancerous newfags, et al learning that you fap to weird shit on /b/ in your free time. It seems simple enough; you just don't talk about it.

This is fine for the internet, and it works well until you leave the computer and start to interact with the real world. SE becomes more intricate IRL because you are directly involved and immediately recognizable if any of your indiscretions are discovered.

SE is about being innocuous and easily forgettable, unless you want to be remembered; and even then it should only be the role you play and the frame you've set that you want people to remember.

Amateurs will make this out to sound like you get to play James Bond, leading a double life filled with adventure- it isn't. To do this with any real proficiency you'll soon discover that at first your real life puts a strain on your fiction. After a while, you'll find yourself running psyops on your friends just to keep them out of the loop. Eventually you'll find yourself lost in a clusterfuck of ops, cons and fictions that only make sense to you. In the end you might wind up the way I have. You lose what it means to be yourself, but in return you gain the ability to form your own reality. It's a very strange phenomena.

All that shit aside, I have some stuff to offer that would probably be useful to the would-be social engineer. I've done all the small cons, carding, physical intrus
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>> No. 116
This guys a raging fucking troll
>> No. 141
im so fucking hard


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139 No. 139 hide watch quickreply [Reply]
Happy New Year, /psy/!

Just found this on the Chaos Computer Conference Youtube page:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuzZW3stP08

Titled "The Engineering Part of Social". Haven't seen it yet, but I hope it's useful to everyone!


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125 No. 125 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
My main issue appears to be that I am working with people I have known my whole life.
I am able to disrupt this by radically changing their 'view' of me (reframing) but the effects are temporary and work until they basically forget the new way our social relationship works.

My aim is to be able to get people to shutup upon my will.

Classical conditioning does not work with people I've known for a long time, however I have only tried negative reinforcement - which works until the subject can't take it anymore and rebels very viciously (sometimes never, depending on disposition), however this again is for new acquaintances, not people I know.

I like to try out everything, and knowing that positive reinforcement is more effective I want to use that, however I am unable to figure out how to design this method effectively.

I would like to use the space of this thread to develop 789chan's psyop protocol for positive conditioning, with the constraints that:

a) the subjects must become aware that their behaviour is being modificed
b) that they are people you already know/already in your life/have expectations or information about your capacity (as in, strangers don't know much about you so you can give them the impression you are very powerful and they become easy to manipulate, for example).
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>> No. 134
Here's the problem as I see it (with the caveat that I'm slightly intoxicated and therefore am impaired mentally and phyically.)

Positive reinforcement takes time. The premise of my argument is that people don't talk to people, but mental images they construct based on their experiences of a given person or entity. In essence, people aren't interrupting you, but an idea of a person that accepts interruption. Changing that suddenly will be met with resistance because no one will enjoy being forced to reevalute their perceptions of life.

The trick is to provide minor but repetitive inconvenience to them whenever the don't do what you want. Each person is different and will require a slightly different tactic. Also, the process will be long term, but long term change is usually the most effective. You must also identify what makes the target feel positive as well. Remember, it's difficult to hate those who make you feel positive. Make sure people had a reason to FEEL well of you. The repetitive negativity (your effort to stop them from engaging in unwanted behavior) will be something they begin to seek to remove to maximize their positive experience. See what I did there? The target starts to effect change on its own in its quest for a positive experience. This effects permanent change, because it comes from within.

I'm a little too drunk to expand on this, but you're a smart guy. You'll figure the rest out on your own. And, quite frankly, you should.

Let me know if this helps. I'll sober up and come back here at some point.
>> No. 135
>>125
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nq0-F-05iDg&feature=related


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123 No. 123 hide watch quickreply [Reply]
Let's discuss Humanism.
>> No. 124
You're on the wrong board. Go to /id/


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114 No. 114 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
Hey, /psy/, i was thinking the other day, of how our curiosity and the need of always lurk some more can give us some really interesting things, but can risk our life, our "modus vivendi" or make our life shittier than ever. I'm just a passive lurker, i don't think that i'll ever use the things i've learned, but i use to think that it's for researching and educational purposes.

So, do you use the the things you learn, or you are just a passive lurker?
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>> No. 120
>>118

Okay, maybe not the "real deal" thing, maybe i don't even know that i'm doing psyops, like most of us, but when i have an objetive i know what is going on.
>> No. 121
look i'm not a criple or a mute and your kust lookng for a random hook lets go and do this thing, come and sit on me i love being crushes


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67 No. 67 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
Dont mind me just passing along a massive collection of psyops resources.

http://www.megaupload.com/es/?d=27X5LIHF

>The Structure of the Mind - Ben Goertzel
>The MIT Encyclopedia of Cognitive Sciences (1999) - Robert A Wilson and Frank C Keil
>The Encyclopedia of Applied Psychology - Edited by Charles Spielberger
>Putting a new spin on groups - The science of of Chaos - Bud A McClure
>Billion Dollar Bunko - Simon Lovell
>The Changing Images of Man by Stanford Research Institute
>Derren Brown - Behind the Screen
>Derren Brown - Pure Effect
>Get Anyone to do Anything - David J Lieberman
>Undoing Yourself - Christopher Hyatt
>Theory of Power - Jeff Vail
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>> No. 106
>>104
Sounds interesting. My interests in the topic are largely academic, but I find these books written by practitioners who do not have an academic background, and who are writing primarily based off their own experiences usually open studies in a field up by giving guidance on what is valued and not being researched.
>> No. 119
Ben Goertzel is an researcher in Artificial Intelligence. I call bullshit on this list.


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Freaky shit, /psy/.

When I was a teenager I spent a huge amount of time on the web. I had 3 friends I was in close contact with for years on the net, from I'd say 14-18. I hated school and just stopped showing up in the 9th grade.

I pulled my shit together though and went back ang got a Bachelor in Accounting and an MBA. Passed the CPA exam, but realized the accounting industry sucks, and dropped out of that. Now I am becoming a Ph.D. in Technology.

Fast forward to tonight. I got nostalgic listening to some Mellon Collie, and decided to facebook/linkedin stalk Melissa, Mike and David. I found that Melissa is a CPA, Mike is an engineer and David is a Professor. I honestly don't know what to say about this weird coincidence. Are our lives all planned out for us before were born as part of the grand equation?

Athiest, but open minded, after this shit really open minded.

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>> No. 112
>>91
Completely unrelated but I wish my house looked like that
>> No. 113
>>112
Fuck yeah. I made it my bg when whoever answered my OP post with it.


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94 No. 94 hide watch quickreply [Reply]
Any fans of motivational theories here? Let's talk.
>> No. 96
>>94
Are niggers human?
>> No. 100
>>96
Dr. Maslow is saddened by your words.


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97 No. 97 hide watch quickreply [Reply]
I need to get a list of the classmates I graduated with. I had a alumni tshirt but I have no fuckin idea where it is. Classmates doesnt all of the students that graduated with me.

I need a convincing story or suggest to tell the administrator I am friends with.
>> No. 98
Just claim you're doing something for the [whatever number would be appropriate] reunion.


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So Rolling Stone has published a story about a rogue general forcing his psyops team to target American legislators for more resources. I was a little surprised by that - I understood that the American military generally got whatever it asked for. Especially with the wars and all.

Got me thinking, though; aside from resources (money, manpower, research, etc), how different is military psyops from what is generally done here? Methodology would be largely the same, wouldn't it?
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>> No. 87
>>68
PsyOp is applied on most levels of military operations, to some extent. It only becomes properly known as a PsyOp effort at a higher level, or in a field where it is deemed situationally applicable and performed by those with the training/clearance to do so. However, it's often as simple as interview techniques with civilians on the battlefield by a small unit leader or member, or the outward posture of a unit while dealing with a potentially integral or threatening party (handing out candy to kids VS. mean-mugging with weapons at the high ready). At the lower levels, its simply part of standard operating procedures, and usually serves moreso to complete the mission at hand then to collect intel/propogandize. It becomes the realm of passive counter-intel to those who give the orders, and usually the effects are not immediately seen at that level.

PsyOp in direct support of interrogation operations rarely happens at the lower levels, unless operational tempo dictates hasty intel gathering, and the like. Being the shiny side of the coin, it is the most common 3 or more tier exploitable method (ie.: we exploit the intel from the subject, subjects comrades exploit us through news media, news media effects morale of both sides).
>> No. 95
Watch "Gunner Palace" from the 36 minute mark. US Army PsyOp in Iraq.


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