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125 No. 125
My main issue appears to be that I am working with people I have known my whole life.
I am able to disrupt this by radically changing their 'view' of me (reframing) but the effects are temporary and work until they basically forget the new way our social relationship works.

My aim is to be able to get people to shutup upon my will.

Classical conditioning does not work with people I've known for a long time, however I have only tried negative reinforcement - which works until the subject can't take it anymore and rebels very viciously (sometimes never, depending on disposition), however this again is for new acquaintances, not people I know.

I like to try out everything, and knowing that positive reinforcement is more effective I want to use that, however I am unable to figure out how to design this method effectively.

I would like to use the space of this thread to develop 789chan's psyop protocol for positive conditioning, with the constraints that:

a) the subjects must become aware that their behaviour is being modificed
b) that they are people you already know/already in your life/have expectations or information about your capacity (as in, strangers don't know much about you so you can give them the impression you are very powerful and they become easy to manipulate, for example).
>> No. 127
I have an idea for you and it's quite simple.
Step 1: Whenever someone around you talks out of turn, give them five across the eyes.
Step 2: Repeat.
Eventually the raising of your striking hand will cause the subject to stop immediately. Some unwanted side effects would be shaking, crying, and running away from you when using this positive reinforcement.
>> No. 128
>>127
>>127
Simple and effective. Thank you.

The only problem is the threat of escalation from physical violence or being reported to the police (not more powerful then them...yet!)

Thanks once again. Any ideas to get around this appreciated.
>> No. 129
Hold up,
I asked for positive reinforcement, not negative.

You tricked me, well done. I'm a fool, but please think of another?

Thanks.

I can't forcefeed people chocolates, for example, nor can I do so as a reward quickly enough.

And as it turns out, smiling is epic fail. People don't value it enough unless your a stranger or have accrued a reputation for being a rare smiler.
>> No. 131
>>129
It IS positive reinforcement, you're thinking about positive and negative in emotional, not mathematical terms. It's a common misconception. Positive reinforcement gives something to the subject on actions that are to be modified, negative reinforcement takes something away.
I only wrote >>127 because it really looks like psyduck wants to slappa bitch.
May I ask why you want to silence someone on command?
>> No. 134
Here's the problem as I see it (with the caveat that I'm slightly intoxicated and therefore am impaired mentally and phyically.)

Positive reinforcement takes time. The premise of my argument is that people don't talk to people, but mental images they construct based on their experiences of a given person or entity. In essence, people aren't interrupting you, but an idea of a person that accepts interruption. Changing that suddenly will be met with resistance because no one will enjoy being forced to reevalute their perceptions of life.

The trick is to provide minor but repetitive inconvenience to them whenever the don't do what you want. Each person is different and will require a slightly different tactic. Also, the process will be long term, but long term change is usually the most effective. You must also identify what makes the target feel positive as well. Remember, it's difficult to hate those who make you feel positive. Make sure people had a reason to FEEL well of you. The repetitive negativity (your effort to stop them from engaging in unwanted behavior) will be something they begin to seek to remove to maximize their positive experience. See what I did there? The target starts to effect change on its own in its quest for a positive experience. This effects permanent change, because it comes from within.

I'm a little too drunk to expand on this, but you're a smart guy. You'll figure the rest out on your own. And, quite frankly, you should.

Let me know if this helps. I'll sober up and come back here at some point.
>> No. 135
>>125
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nq0-F-05iDg&feature=related


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